*** warner has joined channel #twisted <glyph> warner: newpb! <kenaan> Twisted: warner * r10709 sandbox/warner/ (10 files): revamp exceptions, remote calls kinda work now <exarkun> OMG <glyph> see everybody? now _that_ is the kind of response I like % <exarkun> it's really too bad people live so long <exarkun> and that it is generally considered immoral to experiment on them % <Tv> I want an incrimental knifi. <exarkun> Able to slice multiple things simultaneously without making its user interface non-responsive!? <exarkun> SUCH A THING SURELY COULD NOT EXIST <Tv> exarkun: Yeah, except it would a poor weapon, because it COULD NOT BLOCK! % <SamB> few people know the secret of growing donuts % <hypatia> I distrust projects that require you to socialise with the developers in order to learn how to use them. % <radix> well hey, I'm getting back on sane schedule <radix> I'll probably stay up until about 5pm today % <spiv> I am confident some people should be made to feel pain, itamar's possible insanity notwithstanding. % <dash> for some reason i keep putting off becoming an alcoholic % <itamar> if I got a cookie for every day I didn't work <itamar> I'd be radix % -!- itamar2 [~itamar@pool-162-83-253-243.ny5030.east.verizon.net] has joined #twisted <dash> argh <dash> who left the robot clone factory switched on % <markp> copy editors can blow me % <itamar> the question is <itamar> do I *really* need five more tshirts with monkeys on them % <`anthony> Yah, yah, debian has advantages, but their glacial release cycle is not good. <Jerub> if you want me to go around aj's house and kneecap him, my paypal account is stephen@thorne.id.au % <moshez> dash: greet me into the 21st century!! <dash> moshez: it has been the 21st century here for a while! did .il daylight savings just kick in? % <dash> brb fighting pirates % <dash> radix <dash> er i mean, twisted.lore % <mattcamp> Anybody know why twisted.protocols.toc is deprecated? <exarkun> because the toc protocol itself is deprecated <dash> is TOC really deprecated? <dash> %google deprecated TOC AIM <pynfo> deprecated TOC AIM: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/api/twisted.protocols.toc.TOCClient.html <dash> google is now useless % <itamar> I bet simulating glyph wouldn't be hard <itamar> "We just make a <noun> that will <verb> the <other noun>! it will be awesome! I can do it in a week!" % <PenguinOfDoom> slyphon: I am torn between going to Quizno's to buy a sub and brutally murdering you. % * slyphon thinks red hat should change it's motto to, "Eh, it's good enough" % <radix> facts are awesome % <PenguinOfDoom> You pigfuckers are sitting there, staring at me with etrade.com open, waiting for JUICY INSIDER INFO <exarkun> I use ameritrade. % <dash> dizzyd: yeah, i got bored of that whole college thing after a while <dash> so i graduated % <jimbug> You know, I would knock the curses author over the head if he didn't invent rogue. % <glyph> exarkun: you could just write a C module that would do all that ugly dl module crud <exarkun> glyph: yea, but then I'd have to write a C module <exarkun> Py_Incref in Python is neat, I think :) <glyph> exarkun: that guy who wrote pyrex is spinning in his grave, and he isn't even dead % <morning> yes, but i almost wrote a book on orthogonal persistence, until i realized i couldn't spell it. % <radix> ayn rand had sex? % <glyph> I am going up through levels of abstraction so fast, reading from top to bottom, I am worried about getting the bends % --- iratsu gives channel operator status to dash glyph rev_bot --- Users on #ddb: @glyph @rev_bot @dash @iratsu <iratsu> yay communism % <exarkun> I don't think I even knew what XML was the last time I used DOS EDIT. % <slyphon> wtf is NIH? <Tv> slyphon: tla <Tv> :) <slyphon> Tv: duh <`anthony> slyphon: tla for Not Invented Here. <orbitz> slyphon: Nice Illegal Honey <slyphon> ah <Tv> slyphon: that's not a tla! <Tv> saying something is a tla implies "go look up it up in the standard places" <orbitz> Don't Upset him <Tv> orbitz: Your Honey is a him? <slyphon> oy <orbitz> Tv: honey you eat! <Tv> orbitz: EWW! % <dialtone> I can even run python on my clock <dialtone> and my watch <dialtone> and have my watch sync with my clock <exarkun> what time is it right now <dialtone> don't have my watch on right now % <e> birthday paradox cake <exarkun> e: Is that the paradox where, if you have more than 30 people in a room, they'll eat your birthday cake? % <saph_w> my shirt has a moose <radix> family channel <saph_w> wth <saph_w> moose moose mooose <radix> jesus fucking H you've got a mouth on you % <Nafai> A coworker saw my machine once; I was using the Apple II xscreensaver with the Twisted Quotes as the source <Nafai> He asked, "Is that glyph's screensaver?" % <MFen> actually, #python kinda makes sense % <Yosomono> why does every discussion of survival of the fittest end with hitler? <Yosomono> goddamn nazis have ruined everything % <saph> PenguinOfDoom: you sap energy from people with evil eye rays <saph> you are all e_e---------- <saph> and the other person is :o <saph> and then they are -_- <saph> and you are ^_^ % <glyph> people would just roll dice all the time in chat rooms <glyph> for *no reason* <glyph> because it was a feature of the system that was added for RPG players <glyph> and the dice-rolling syntax was pretty involved <glyph> infinitely involved, actually <glyph> it was a complete RainMan interpreter <glyph> you could backdoor the whole goddamn system with the dice roller <glyph> user: "I'd like to roll some very big dice" <glyph> system: "sure, maybe you would like an admin console and some dev tools to help you manage them" % <faisal> [sushi is] one of the 3 essential food groups for the networking community <kiad> what are the other two? <faisal> sushi, caffeine, ietf drafts (for fiber) % <radix> oh no the galaxies <radix> they're going to collide :( <radix> BUT PHYSICS SAVES THE DAY % <dash> there is some law of thermodynamics that says you can't pump all the stupid into one container and expect it to stay there <dash> diffusion, or something <exarkun> we need a membrane <glyph> a membrane with a gun % <Cerin> and I thought mono was an up and coming technology <capnSTABN> your sister gave me mono <Cerin> she is pretty tech savvy % <radix> My computer is gone :-( <exarkun> radix: ono!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <exarkun> radix: wait <radix> :-( <exarkun> radix: I am suspicious. <radix> Why <exarkun> radix: Well, let's see <exarkun> radix: LOOKTHEREYOUARE % <foom> wait when was the earth created? <flophouse> just look at the expiration date <flophouse> it's on the bottom, under the ice cap % <warner> at a touchscreen voting platform, nobody knows if you're a dog.. % <Tv> thomasvs: why not just talk some authentication protocol to the other host? <thomasvs> Tv: why use something arcane and difficult when I have THE POWER OF TWISTED ? % <brian_> I'm pretty sure from twisted import __version__ will work <slyphon> or i guess you could do that <brian_> I import dictionaries <slyphon> really? do you have to declare them in customs? <dash> slyphon: You are an inspiration to me <dash> slyphon: the next language I will design will have an alternative to the import statement <dash> slyphon: 'smuggle' <MFen> dash: no, that should be your execfile replacement <dash> from america.south smuggle guns, drugs, dictionaries <slyphon> :D <MFen> hah % <MFen> why is programming so *hard* <radix> because you try to do it on windows <MFen> radix: that is because i already beat the end guy on unix % <exarkun> If I can make just one person blow chunks, I'm doing my job right. % <itamar> our manager was looking for you <coworker_home> oh? just now? <itamar> I think he got your cell# off someone though <itamar> yeah <coworker_home> ah. good thing my cell is dead (Names changed to protect the innocent - Ed.) % <warner> huh. this one proposition is funded by large corporations on one side, and 204 lawyers on the other <glyph> warner: wait - proposition? are you IRCing from inside a voting booth? <glyph> those new diebold machines must be awesome % <Karnaugh> my attempt at implementing Ramanujan went horribly wrong <Vhata> because Python isn't the best language for reincarnating tubercular indians? % <Vhata> maybe I should write my own operating system, where you CAN write to sockets <Vhata> my operating system will have beer and hookers, too <Vhata> in fact, screw the sockets % <dash> mmm, ken macleod <dash> if I had a "People I Would Be Most Likely To Engage in Apocalyptic Anime-Style Battle With" list, he would be #1 on it % <glyph> I am going to break with tradition and make one rule here <glyph> as long as I'm still active, nobody say anything supportive of Bush ( ... later ...) <chrchr> scout^2: Give us a fact that ties Iraq to 9/11 and you will not be kicked. <scout^2> well shit man.. if its gonna come down to that.. <-- scout^2 has quit ("www.twistedmatrix.com, www.kwikdeath.com") [Note the instant quit when *facts* entered the discussion.] % <hypatia> spiv: get the tshirt. "Beats me, I'm an arch user." Good for all manner of situations. <spiv> hypatia: With a companion shirt "Beat me, I'm an arch developer" ;) % <orbitz> radix: do you know what it's like to be a team player? <radix> orbitz: No. I hate you. <orbitz> :( <orbitz> radix: well i'm a team player <orbitz> so i hate me too % <blanu> arma: What's bamboo? <arma> blanu: some guy named sean rhea from berkeley has been pimping it on p2p-hackers <blanu> What's the interesting thing about it? <arma> blanu: apparently it works. <arma> blanu: seems pretty novel to me. :) % <tjs> I want to know <tjs> why are my pants a topic of conversation? % <glyph> How was your sunday? Relax at all? <exarkun> I played _Silent Hill_ most of the day <exarkun> On the one hand, you could say that is relaxing <exarkun> On the other hand, no, no you can't % <arg> argh, my wife calls to complain about her mother while im in the middle of trying to understand someone elses metaclasses % <Moof> I'm tryign to compile pyopenssl <Moof> but there's a syntax error in Python.h <mwh> this seems unlikely, on the face of it % <vit--> dash, do you have any recommendations for python jabber libraries? <dash> vit--: kill yourself now % <orbitz> once i found two people having MUSH sex though <orbitz> ieee <orbitz> i was 13 <orbitz> scared for life <orbitz> the yellow font burned into my soul % <exarkun> radix: Are you ready to get a tummy host yet? <Tv> tummy hosting is that thing the Jaffa do in Stargate, right? % <dialtone> my monitor can do Mhz <dialtone> in horizontal refresh though <exarkun> dialtone: hey that gives me an awesome idea <exarkun> I am going to turn my monitor on its side % <tjs> jml: You are going to die one day. ... <tjs> And when you die, part of what makes up your being is the knowledge of how to write Java. <tjs> I don't have that problem. % <chrchr> exarkun: Note that all kryptonite locks are vulnerable to hacksaws. <exarkun> chrchr: That's why I have another lock too. <exarkun> chrchr: How many thieves carry around _two_ hacksaws? % $ php sucks.php PHP EQUALITY -- An experiment: 0 == "": TRUE. 0 == "0": TRUE. "" == "0": FALSE. 'none' == 0: TRUE. % Kragen Sitaker: sub f{grep{(1x$_)!~/^(11+)\1+$/}2..pop} Itamar: that looks scary Kragen Sitaker: the haskell version is just as short and nearly as opaque Kragen Sitaker: but even more inefficient! % <exarkun> it's not drugs, it's ubuntu % <arg> i think a significant percentage of twisted apps begin as the logbot example <chrchr> Twisted is a fantastic framework for building logbots. % <mumak> hmm. I think my flatmate is asleep. <Brend> You should take this opportunity to glue all the furniture to the ceiling <mumak> Brend: well, I have to live here too <mumak> Brend: and besides, I'm on holidays. That sounds like too much work. <Brend> If you just glue your flatmate to the ceiling, you achieve the same thing with less work, and no impedence to yourself! <mumak> you present a strong and compelling case <mumak> however, I think my flatmate wouldn't appreciate it. <Brend> Anyone who can't see the value of being glued to the ceiling deserves punishment by ceiling-glue % <MFen> i bet i could beat him at football though <MFen> or shoe tying <MFen> i'd kick his ass at shoe tying <MFen> and then when i was done tying my shoes i stand up and shout IN YOUR FACE. IN YOUR FACE, PI BOY. SEE THESE SHOES? NOT COMING OFF. WHO'S THE SAVANT NOW BITCH? <MFen> and do a little dance <MFen> i bet he can't dance either % <glyph> kevc: are you volunteering to maintain it, hmmmmm? :) <kevc> heh, no, I have no time free at present <glyph> kevc: TOO LATE * glyph slaps the manacles on kevc <kevc> glyph: last time someone played "tag you're it" on me, I ended up running some uni computing project for three years <kevc> went to the pub, woke up with a root password written on my arm % <tjs> I cant do anything <tjs> im running XP atm % <rik> ew. <rik> a python packet filter. <rik> that'd have almost windows-like performance. <afshar> well, it would be for windows % [In response to http://journal.jafo.ca/sw-20030328-18biganno.jpg] <Brend> Wow. You guys are younger than I thought. <dash> Brend: glyph's on like his third host body % <hypatia> Hey, hidden bonus of having actual named maintainers is having people to assign bugs to... <hypatia> Of course, it always ends up being exarkun anyway. %