<kiko> I had a friend who started accessing objects concurrently <kiko> he ended up in rehab with a triple X tatooed on his face % <moshez> glyph is the leerless feeder! % <exarkun> I'll go add <br> tags at the end of every line <exarkun> I think that is how you add spaces to HTML % <Artimage> I believe a bar chart can confirm my humanity. % <radix> moshez: you are very nice to me, and girls in general % <radix> naked naked naked % <dhess> has anyone written a blog application server in twisted? <dhess> i'm tempted to use plone but it's a little overly complicated for my needs <exarkun> heh heh * exarkun throws himself off a cliff % <itamar> that was a wasted 30 minutes * itamar curses tenth's halloween special % <exarkun> stay the hell away from my corpse % <glyph> amiaaaaornot.com [the ipv6 equivalent of 'whatsmyip.com' -ed] % <coderman> i think blanu disappeared <GabeW> wow <GabeW> does he have the ring? <coderman> is that a euphamism for the clap? <wmf> somehow I don't see AaronSw getting the clap <coderman> did aaron and blanu go somewhere? there is probably a big conference going on that im blissfuly clueless about like usual <GabeW> coderman: is this how blanu and AaronSw got the clap? % <exarkun> it is hard not to think I am FUCKING INSANELY AWESOME when everything I do turns out so amazingly well % <slyphon> YAY SEGFAULTING! * PenguinOfDoom is continually amazed at how a segfault is such a joyful occurence for Python programmers. <itamar> PenguinOfDoom: it is somewhat like seeing someone levitating and then kicking you in the face <itamar> it hurts, but at the same time you are distracted by the violation of your concept of reality % <moshez> pfote: anthopomorphising is the most powerful weapon in the fight against complexity <glyph> moshez: don't you mean "anthropomorphism is the most powerful warrior in the fight against complexity"? :) <MFen> i prefer to simianize % <moshez> glyph: I see your problem <moshez> glyph: you are trying to do impossible things <dash> moshez: nothing else is interesting <moshez> dash: perhaps! but impossible things are notoriously hard % <phed> symbiont: you spot the flamewars as those neverending staircases of posts. and those who say something not flameable, as those with one or none replies. <phed> at the end of the staircase, hitler is mentioned. <symbiont> yes, hitler is always a component of flamewars <symbiont> can we encapsulate hitler in an xml document? <slyphon> he'll make sure all of your documents are only in pure german <symbiont> achtung baby! <slyphon> you could use it for mail, but then you'd just hear the chant over and over... <slyphon> "SIG!" <slyphon> "FILE!" <slyphon> "SIG!" <slyphon> "FILE!" % <SamB> they should label crap "tragedy" <saph_w> no, they should label crap "crap" % * aum sits back while mnet builds the kitchen sink, the earth, the heavens, the beasts of the land and the fowls of the air % <anthony> anyone that would give out sexual favours to get access to an imap server... sheesh. % <tmcvs> Commit from sjj (changed 2) in 2 subdirs of Twisted: "add copyright info" msn_example.py, test_msn.py <sjj> Now all I have to do is wait for them to deport glyph to syria. % <ilikewine> that mp3 sounds like that band is from williamsburg <ilikewine> its an awful place <ilikewine> where everybody wears stripes % <saph> i think the same drunken circus bears who taught radix to type taught him to drive % <moshez> exarkun: the user can win by setting ulimit <moshez> exarkun: haha you lose <exarkun> Uh <exarkun> The goal is not to defeat the user. <moshez> exarkun: what kind of screwed up software do you write? % <radix> PenguinOfDoom: *you're* a jew too? goddamnit <radix> what is up with you people <PenguinOfDoom> radix: Only a halfjew! <PenguinOfDoom> radix: I get +5 racial bonus to antisemitism. <PenguinOfDoom> radix: It's like half-elves and whatever they do best, archery or something. % <radix> someone should do a statistical analysis of the religions of Twisted developers <exarkun> Doesn't that cvs stats tool emit a graph for that? <exarkun> It should % <fzZzy> do not stare into the xhtml <kwaker> it will make my eyes to pop <kwaker> and my wife to leave me <kwaker> and my hard drive to burn in flames <fzZzy> yes % <exarkun> Nagle is a little gnome who ships inside every TCP stack <exarkun> He grabs your sockets and squeezes them <exarkun> So the bits can't fit through <exarkun> Later, he lets go <exarkun> Turning off TCP_NODELAY hits Nagle with a sledge hammer. <exarkun> While he's unconscious, no one does the job of squeezing your sockets. % <PenguinOfDoom> dash left me! <PenguinOfDoom> aaaaaaaa <itamar> PenguinOfDoom: there will be other men * PenguinOfDoom hits itamar with a brick. % <saph_w> moshe: telling friends to read /. is like telling friends to go to radio shack % <slyphon> spiv: hey look, if i had to maintain that crap ass protocol i'd be slacking too * slyphon suddenly has a horrible moment of clarity % <frankie> smile! you are on-line at linux-day in italy!!! <frankie> say something nice, plz :) <aj> hello, this is the Debian Release Manager, please, please try a different distro! (arrrggh, the pressure, the pressure!) % <PenguinOfDoom> exarkun: I have a desire to rearrange your internal organs in the way you rearrange words. <saph> PoD: please keep his kidneys out of his nose <PenguinOfDoom> saph: Why? <saph> PoD: because i don't want to have to explain it in the holiday cards! <PenguinOfDoom> saph: Okay. % <zooko> I think there should be a "maybe" button next to "ok", "cancel" in all dialogs. <zooko> [okay] [cancel] [I'm not sure] <LotR> and the dialog would vanish and then reappear? <zooko> I'm not sure. % <danfaust> What makes you a Superjew? Pork bounces off your chest? [See http://www.timeoutny.com/427.cover.html -ed] % <jml> It is like wandering through the desert, for weeks, without a drop of water, but knowing that there is an oasis ahead. And all the time, I am being stabbed in the face with a blunt spoon by a flatulent person. -- jml describes PHP, after using nevow % <crw> don't talk to teachers when you first wake up, it floods back all the crap you had to do in school. <crw> and if the conversation begins with "i'll give you three guesses to figure out who this is", just hang up on them and go back to sleep. :P % <gus> "Je suis en train d'avoir les presqu'impossibles du travail" <gus> it means I CAN'T CONCENTRATE ON MY RESEARCH % <MFen> give me correctness or give me death <glyph> MFen: I wouldn't say that, standing so close to a windows machine. % <PenguinOfDoom> Grr. Python saps my will to write software. Anything I'd want to write is either boring, impossible or already written. % <AccorDNGuy> You know, my academic career would've been more interesting if I'd answered my exams with porn stories. <AccorDNGuy> "Explain AVL Trees." "Winer undid his zipper, casting a longing glance at Dvorak, who returned his smouldering gaze. There was going to be some serious pole-smoking tonight." % <dash> radix: are you jewish yet? <radix> dash: Not yet <dash> radix: me neither! what's taking so long % <slyphon> then I'm the happiest loser in the phone book! % * lebowski was talking to a guy in the pub the other night who once got stopped by a gang in NI <lebowski> "Are you a catholic or a protestant?" they asked <lebowski> "Er... neither, I'm an athiest" <lebowski> "... Aye, but are you a catholic athiest or a protestant atheist?" % <maciej> wow. Spam with ex-girlfriend's name. <maciej> that extra little twist-o-the-knife <maciej> "my ex is suddenly writing.... and she wants to increase my WHAT?" % <lapsly> dash has the coolest hat <lapsly> he looked like a pimp walkin around chinatown % <maciej> I like to save my timidity for actual human interaction, where it belongs % <exarkun> usecrack: --compiler % <slyphon> has anyone thought about a squid-like caching-proxy server thingy for twisted? <`anthony> slyphon: what, hideously complex, consuming enormous amounts of resources, and buggy as fuck? Not particularly. <`anthony> Or do you mean instead slimy with long tentacles % <maciej> I almost took my cat to the vet for a strange skin condition before my girlfriend reminded me cats are mammals % <itamar> sex is not digital, it is analog % * warner wishes for the zillionth time that he could just grep his closet % <dash> isn't it cute? <spiv> dash: Cute like a baby choking on an ice-cream cone that's been rammed down it's throat. <dash> spiv: "frees up your hands from holding the ice cream cone, but leaves the bottom soggy"? % <itamar> is there a libmandelbrot? <exarkun> itamar: people who write re-usable software don't spend years hand-tuning a 6 instruction inner loop! <exarkun> And vice versa % <shawn> the highest calling of technical book writers is to destroy the sun % <hypatia> Why does dirdbm exist, exactly? <spiv> hypatia: Because glyph is trigger-happy when it comes to writing persistence systems. <spiv> "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a persistence system out of my hat!" <spiv> "But that trick never works!" <spiv> "This time for *sure*!" % <_joshua> From what I can tell, there are two kinds of interviewers: ones that ask a bunch of silly questions, you answer them, they take one bad quote and make you look bad <_joshua> and the other ones that engage in a long dialogue, discuss back and forth, really understand what's going on <_joshua> and then take one bad quote and make you look bad % <exarkun> today's lesson <exarkun> don't strace X in an xterm % <glyph> exarkun: any thoughts on what to do about actions having consequences? % <Pahan> glyph: I have no time for your Zen crap! I have hardware to burn. % <symbiont> been doing industrial C for three years <slyphon> wow <slyphon> i learned python about 2 years ago and all of my C skillz have left me <symbiont> yeah, it's all a hack % <saph> dash: when did you get a day job <saph> dash: i thought you just taught dancing and sold trinkets as part of a band of traveling cyber gypsies <dash> i only teach dancing to beautiful women <dash> for free % <_joshua> perhaps we could have some sort of sacrificial goat technology where people decide collectively that someone absolutely must get laid <tangra> for the good of the state <tangra> kind of like the draft lottery % <itamar> jml: the Sex Pistols have no songs about Hillary Clinton <jml> itamar: an unfortunate accident of history % <dash> Demoscene? wasn't he a greek philosopher % <slyphon> dammit! my upstream just sucks <slyphon> 20 kb/sec! <slyphon> if i'm lucky! <exarkun> install an optimization <slyphon> how? <slyphon> ifconfig eth0 --don't-suck-upstream up?? % <radix> I bit my finger <exarkun> radix: Yay <radix> and it hurt real bad <Riastradh> radix, um, why did you bite your finger? <radix> Cuz it was holding a waffle <exarkun> radix: Hahaha <radix> :( <exarkun> radix: Awesome <radix> I bit it really, really hard <Riastradh> radix, does your finger really look that much like a waffle that you bit your finger instead of the waffle? <radix> I had to lie down afterwards <radix> Riastradh: no, i wasn't looking at it at the time <radix> Riastradh: I was busy stuffing it into my mouth % <itamar> glyph: did you see the multiplayer go written with twisted? <exarkun> itamar: *massively* multiplayer! <itamar> yeah right <itamar> only like three people in the whole world play Go % <exarkun> I mean, uh, her character has many unresolved personal issues that she projects onto other people around her without reason. <glyph> exarkun: that sounds like pretty much all TV people <exarkun> Gumby never took out his unresolved personal issues on Pokey <glyph> you don't think so? <glyph> I thought that Pokey's whole _life_ was gumby's unresolved personal issues <glyph> like this memorable sequence: <exarkun> Well, they were always friendly enough on camera <glyph> gumby: HAHA STUPID QUADRUPED <glyph> pokey: shut up! I hate you! <glyph> gumby: FOUR LEGS FOUR LEGS, WHERE ARE YOUR HANDS HAHA <exarkun> glyph: I think I missed that episode. <glyph> pokey: one day you will be hurt by someone close to you the same way! <dash> exarkun: i think glyph watched tv in an alternate universe <exarkun> dash: That seems likely! <glyph> exarkun: it was right before pokey got a cameo on NYPD Blue % <slyphon> but then again my temple is so reform it's called "Our Lady of the Immaculate Livingroom" % <mcunixjr> i was sitting downstairs, and my 2.5 yr old was sitting next to me, she has the Flu, 102 temp <mcunixjr> she turns to me and says "i dont feel good" <mcunixjr> and at the last word, out came dinner <mcunixjr> onto my lap <mcunixjr> and onto my Powerbook 12" % --> foom (~jknight@128.52.220.152) has joined #twisted <-- Moof (~moof@horus.kaotix.co.uk) has left #twisted % <maciej> Poles are wondering why they are paying millions of $$ out of pocket to occupy Iraq on behalf of the US, and not seeing the slightest benefit <markp> i believe the benefit is that we'll bump you down a few notches on the list of "countries we'll invade next" <brkchrmr> Doesn't Poland get a +5 to be invaded on every roll? ;) % <MFen> i'm sorry, but does this scream DANGER DANGER WARNING to you? "e" <MFen> no it does not. but a big floating eyeball does! <exarkun> MFen: you obviously lack an adventurers keen senses! <exarkun> "e" strikes the deepest terror into my heart. % <exarkun> speak of the devil <moshez> exarkun: froor <exarkun> not you % <jml> are there any really really good wysiwyg (or close) HTML editors? <jml> I mean, amazingly good, XHTML-spewing editors. <radix> hahaha!@!@!R!A@!@!@!@!@!#@$!#* >>> radix stabs software <jml> radix: a man can dream <radix> jml: your question fills me with burning rage <jml> radix: why is this? <radix> jml: i hate web <Jerub> radix: you are in #twisted.web <radix> Jerub: yes <radix> Jerub: that is why I am FULL OF RAGE % <KevinMarks> 'Our series A round is to help us build out the Other Plane; look at the returns possible once we transcend the mortal universe' % <maciej> It strikes me that Cthulhu can only effect change by altering the order things are eaten in <maciej> just like Alan Greenspan can only raise or lower interest rates % * Suw has never seen a wall mounted cat. <maciej> Suw: give me ten minutes and a stapler and I'll show you <Suw> maciej: like to see you try that trick with Fflwff <maciej> twenty minutes and a staple gun <Suw> maciej: you haven't seen her claws... <maciej> thirty minutes, asbestos gloves, and a hydraulic nail gun <Suw> maciej: asbestos gloves? that would never cut it. she'd be at your jugular before you could say 'argh'. <maciej> forty minutes, a torniquet, and a double-wide roll of duct tape <Suw> maciej: she's way too slippery for that. <maciej> fifty minutes and a large sheet of Velcro <Suw> maciej: ok, that might work % <Nafai> Sheesh. Why is downloading stuff so hard? <exarkun> try typing in real credit card numbers % <saph_b> radix: minnesotans invented the frozen pizza <radix> saph_b: i love minnesotans % <exarkun> Dang <exarkun> A channel even more fascist than #python <exarkun> == kick exarkun off #hurd by neal (Rule #1 of 1: no nodding) % <ivan> i'm almost done rewriting python in python <ivan> i can't believe it took those pypy guys years % <REDROBOT> MEET MY SECOND COUSIN 'ONHOLDTONE' % <`anthony> I think I shall refer to Guido as "Tallest" from now on. <`anthony> I'm not sure who Zim would be. Maybe Ping. [Referring to http://pycon.org/images/mastheadphohtos2.jpg] % <radix> code is for grunts, not software architects <jml> architects are merely coders without keyboards <radix> yes, lacking keyboards is a sign of prestige * jml throws his keyboard at radix <jml> I am prestigous % <exarkun> I have a gig of ram, after all <exarkun> and other people are below my threshhold of attention % <mingus> pynfo: kick exarkun for abuse of power <pynfo> You aren't allowed to do that. % <PenguinOfDoom> So wait, oekaki is also some stupid Java applet that crashes and stuff, right? <PenguinOfDoom> I think it probably has builtin tools for drawing anime boobs. %